FOX News lies! [gasp, I know you're shocked]
But here’s some good documentation of some recent lies passed off as “fair and balanced” news. Watch the video and then go take action at Brave New Films.
Tags: election, Fox News, Lies, Obama, Politics, Propaganda, Treason
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August 14, 2008 at 9:14 pm
1) Barack Obama has been on all sides of nearly all issues, especially tax cuts
2) Inflating tires will not solve our energy problem, we are constantly needing more energy, we need action
3) Isn’t it a bit ridiculous to attack a news station instead of the arguments they make, especially when far-left liberals (Alan Colmes) are on that station
I like the tag “treason”, isn’t that a little bit too far?
August 15, 2008 at 6:23 am
1) Yeah like how he opposed Bush’s tax cuts for the filthy rich, but now wants to make them permanent… Oh wait, that was McCain. Or how about how he opposed torture, but then voted to say that it’s okay for the U.S. to torture…. oh, that was McCain too. Thanks for playing, but you get zero points on that one.
2) Actually properly inflating our tires WILL have a significant affect on our energy use. It won’t solve all our problems, but it’s a much better start than off-shore drilling that won’t have any impact at all for at least a decade. Oooooh, you’re 0 for 2.
3) Did you watch the video or read my post? It’s all completely focused on the actual lies of FOX News, how is that not focusing on the issues? And if you think Alan Colmes is a “far-left” liberal you must have a very distorted perspective for WAY over there on the far right.
Sorry you didn’t get any points, but thanks for playing. As a nice consolation prize you can realize all your dreams of a totalitarian society that thoroughly embraces free-market ideology by moving to China. Enjoy.
August 15, 2008 at 10:18 am
I believe we are talking about Fox News, I only brought up Obama because that is what the “lies” were talking about.
While we are on the subject though…
1) John McCain said he did not support the tax cuts because he believed we needed to concentrate on our nation’s debt. He then supported them when he saw that they were working. The top 1% (those making more than $364,657) already pay 39% of total taxes, the top 5%: nearly 60%. And what do the bottom 50% pay? 3.07% Obvious reasons exist for this, but the rich are paying easily paying their fair share.
2) Actually, inflating tires will not help that much, most people keep their tires close to fully inflated anyway, with the growing demand and compettition for the existing recources, we need more oil, period. Drilling now may not provide more recources immediately, but just the knowledge that we are drilling may lower prices. Inflating tires is a good idea, but it WILL NOT solve our problem.
3) I did read your post and watch your video, Fox News lying is a completely new issue that has yet to be proven. And Alan Colmes IS the most listened to liberal on the radio.
I’m afraid I don’t have the money for a move to China, could you start a donation?
August 15, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Okay, I see that somebody has their right-wing talking points down pat. It’s a nice shortcut around intelligent thought, of course, but you really might want to trade them in on a newer model.
Alan Colmes? The far right’s favorite “lib’rul”? His entire career is based on being an easy target for Hannity’s idiocy. Throwing Colmes out there as evidence of Fox News’ “fair and balanced” approach is like using the penned animals that Dick Cheney likes to get shitfaced and shoot at as evidence of his being a great sportsman. You immediately chuck your credibility down the crapper with something like that.
And the tire thing? You’re still on this laughable tire thing, more than a week after John McCain himself backpedaled and said that yes, properly-inflated tires actually would save gas? What’s next, the old chestnut about Obama actually being a Muslim “Manchurian candidate”? How about a rant about the “Soviets”? That seemed to work pretty well for Fred Thompson.
But since you’re dusting off debunked talking points, okay fine… nobody, not Obama, not anyone I’ve heard talk about it, ever said that properly inflating auto tires was going to “solve our energy problem.” That’s nothing but a load of crap that the McCain campaign tried to spew out there to try and create an issue where none existed. Sorta like the “pressure gauge” gimmick, which would have been kinda funny if it weren’t so damned pathetic.
However, Obama never said that his energy policy was to have people inflate their tires. He used that example as a comparison to what the Republicans were claiming their little offshore drilling scheme was going to do as far as lowering gas prices. And the fact of the matter is that offshore drilling would have no effect for 10-15 years, and that’s a best-case scenario that assumes that…
a.) the crude extracted would actually be of high enough quality to be used here in the States, as opposed to the crude they want to pump out of ANWR, which would all be of too low a quality for use here and would in fact be sold overseas.
and…
b.) that the petroleum companies would actually lower consumer prices to any appreciable degree, rather than just adding it to their bottom line and making their stockholders happy.
And clearly you know as well as the rest of us that neither of these scenarios are guaranteed, or even particularly likely, because you’re falling back on the “psychological benefit” cop-out. Which is laughable, because high gas prices have nothing whatsoever to do with psychology and everything to do with the fact that the petroleum companies are being allowed to engage in price gouging. They consistently rake in the highest corporate profits in our nation’s history, while simultaneously charging the highest gasoline prices in our nation’s history. Hell, diesel fuel costs less to produce than gasoline, and yet it’s been even more expensive than gasoline in recent months.
But high gas prices are all a psychological thing? And handing the petroleum companies even more space to drill on is going to lower gas prices because people will believe that gas prices will start to drop?
How is it that this didn’t work with your Iraq war? Near as I can recall, we were gonna be rolling in cheap Iraqi oil, the oil was going to pay for the war, wonkwonkwonkwonk.
But that was b.s. too, now wasn’t it?
As for this right-wing obsession with cutting taxes for the wealthy, well your bunch has been doing that for nigh on eight years now, and our economy is in the toilet. The only people who have benefited from this “feed the rich” approach have been those closest to the top of the economic pyramid. Hardly anyone in this country can genuinely say that they’re better off now than they were eight years ago, and polls repeatedly bear that out.
Your bunch had their shot for the past eight years, and they blew it. On virtually every conceivable point, they left this nation worse off than they found it. Again, when you spout these tired old right-wing talking points, with the dismal results of eight years of a right-wing presidential administration speaking loud and clear, you toss credibility to the wind.
August 15, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Fox news has been proven to lie. Again and again and again. They use half truths at best and pass them off as facts. While most liberals (being readers you know) will actually site sources Fox news blow-hards will puff out their chests and say everyone knows that! Or my favorite “it’s common knowledge that”. Blah Blah Blah.
First of all I like how you point out that the tax cuts are working. We have a mortgage crises brought on by an unregulated bank/lenders industry. Unheard of job exportation, high, high unemployment rates (please remember before you sight the employment rate that people who have given up looking for a job and people whose benefits have run out are not counted in the numbers). We also are paying $4.00 plus a gallon while an oil industry banks record profits.
Let’s also look that fuel costs have cause double-digit inflation in almost all consumer goods. Little things like food and liquids (and this does include beer!)
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Now onto the most ridiculous talking point of all Republicans to date. The inflating the tire story. Rather than look at an energy policy as a whole you all grab onto something you view as silly and say Obama wants us to inflate our tires and the problem will go away. That is one item he is a simple thing we can all do to help. In fact AAA and gasp! NASCAR have been promoting the same thing for years.
Also in fact go into any tire store in the country and they are now promoting using Nitrogen Gas in your tires instead of plain ole air because it what? All together now.
Improves gas mileage and tire life because the tires run smoother and cooler.
Let the oil companies prove that they can actually do something with the hundreds of oil leases they already have and then we can talk about more drilling. Also when these leases actually do start producing something then mandate that the oil has to stay at home. Not be sold overseas like the majority of Alaska’s oil is now.
Of course wouldn’t it be great if we would come up with an alternative so that we can tell the royal families over in the middle east. You know what we don’t need your oil. We have a better cleaner source of energy over here. Better yet why not develop it to the point to where we can export that energy to the rest of the world and the middle east will be what it once was…..a desert somewhere over there that is not the focal point of the world.
August 15, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Just one quibble Tirebiter with your statement “They consistently rake in the highest corporate profits in our nation’s history,”
I think that would more accurately be the “highest corporate profits in the history of the world.”
But everything else you said is spot on.
Zman gets it as well.
Your rebuttal Solar? We’ll wait for the RNC to tell you what to think.
August 15, 2008 at 2:15 pm
ZMan, what sources are you citing for your first paragraph? Or is that common knowledge?
Anyway, heres my rebuttal.
The Tax cuts ARE working. The mortgage crisis is caused by crazy spending and loaning because the banks are sure that the goverment will bail them out. The Bush Tax Cuts were not a favor for the Presidents rich buddies, the rich have a right to tax cuts with what they are paying taxes, the top 1% of the nations wealthy pay around 38% of the nations taxes, they make around 28% of the nations income. What do the bottom 50% pay? 3.07%. Should we raise their taxes? No, we should lower taxes again. When taxes are lowered people move up in the tax brackets, or better yet, the tax brackets move up in income.
The corporations are moving overseas? A buisness’s job is to make money, it’s that simple. When a buisness is sued for not warning people that hot coffee is hot, they find a way to avoid the problem. When buisnesses pay as much in taxes as they have left over afterwards, they find a place with less taxes.
I’m bored of the tire issue too, I was amazed so many people cared, but if it is a none issue why is everyone (including liberal blogs) talking about it?
You say we should get off of our oil addiction. I would love to, but we can’t. Not until our technology is ready. Starving ourselves to avoid paying anyone won’t work, it will hurt us as much as they would. We have to drill here! I said that just the knowledge we are drilling will lower prices because then we know that we will soon have more. We will be more willing to down the last glass of water when we know more will be here in time.
I’m glad I can debate with polite people like you, instead of insulting, “sourceless” Republicans like myself.
August 15, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Can you offer any evidence that the tax cuts are working, besides your ardent assertion that they are? Maybe the first economic expansion in history where the median income actually declines is your idea of success, but it certainly isn’t mine.
The mortgage crisis is a predictable result of the Republican cult of deregulation and lassaiz faire economic policy. And you need to double check your statistics as to who’s contributing to the nation’s tax revenue.
[quote]Tax Cuts Offer Most for Very Rich, Study Says
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By EDMUND L. ANDREWS
Published: January 8, 2007
WASHINGTON, Jan. 7 — Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts, according to a new Congressional study.
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The study, by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, also shows that tax rates for middle-income earners edged up in 2004, the most recent year for which data was available, while rates for people at the very top continued to decline.[/quote]
* Despite Republican claims, Federal taxes overall were not cut in the Reagan-Bush years. What happened was the burden of taxation was shifted from the income tax to the Social Security tax. Counting their employers’ share, nearly three-quarters of all Americans now pay more in Social Security taxes than they do in income taxes.
* One result is that the expenses of Government are financed more by a tax on the poor and the middle class and less by a tax on the wealthy. Another result is that surplus revenues in the Social Security system are being used to mask the deficit in the Government’s operating budget instead of being used as they were intended, to guarantee pension benefits for today’s workers when they retire.
Those are facts, but most taxpayers seem not to have grasped them.</quote.
August 15, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Despite all of the political rhetoric about “tax cuts for the rich” and the “middle class squeeze,” a recent analysis by the Tax Foundation shows that federal income taxes have fallen for groups at all income levels as a result of the Bush tax cuts, compared to the 1999 tax rates under Clinton (see chart above). And in fact, the group in the chart above that experienced the largest percentage decrease in taxes were the married taxpayers with $50,000 of household income (clearly middle class by most definitions) – they paid 21% less in taxes under the Bush tax rates compared to the Clinton rates. By contrast, “rich” single taxpayers with income of $125,000 paid only 10% less in taxes. In other words, some middle-class taxpayers received twice the tax cut on a percentage basis as some of “the rich.” …..So much for the claim that “the Bush Administration and Congressional policies are failing middle-class Americans.”
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Quote from http://seekingalpha.com/article/67479-comparing-income-taxes-clinton-vs-bush
Go to this site to see a nice chart depicting this as well.
Another quote
“This year’s numbers show that both the income share earned by the top 1 percent of tax returns and the tax share paid by that top 1 percent have once again reached all-time highs. In 2006, the top 1 percent of tax returns paid 39.9 percent of all federal individual income taxes and earned 22.1 percent of adjusted gross income”
This quote is from this page of the Tax Foundation: http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
Is this enough evidence?
August 15, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Again, you’re just playing the classic Republican shell game with statistics. A HUGE chunk of our (working people) income goes not just to income tax, but to FICA, in fact more of our money goes into Social Security than to income taxes. But rich people don’t pay into it because you don’t pay ANY money into social security after their first $90,000.
So when you figure in FICA, your numbers go completely out the window. And recent tax cuts also mean that people who don’t earn wages, but rake in the money due to capital gains, only pay a maximum of 15%. That’s less than all but the poorest of working people.
Even Warren Buffet has said he thinks it’s ridiculous that he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.
And the Taxfoundation is hardly an objective source. They are an extremist, partisan organization.
I can understand why you would buy into those statistics because they’re all over the internet, but the bottom line is they don’t really tell the whole story.
August 16, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Some good points. We might be paying a lot into Social Security, but you get it all back after retirement (In theory, unfortunately. It will be like dropping money into a Black Hole if we don’t fix it soon).
I would agree that our tax system has problems, but their always has been problems, a good idea on paper doesn’t always work the same in real life. We need to fix these problems, the sooner the better. But don’t hurt those working class people by raising their taxes.
Don’t just write my arguments down as a “Republican shell game with statistics”, sometimes the reason everyone uses the same argument is because it is a good argument.
Even if a source is biased, it can still provide good information. I might consider you “extremist” and “partisan”, but you still brought up some good points.
September 3, 2008 at 8:55 am
Setting the records straight for angry libs. Palin was in fact vetted:
http://www.bgladd.com/McSameStore/Palintology_E-meter.jpg